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Season 3, Episode 2: When Stalking Turns Violent: "A Tangled Web" by Leslie Rule

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Dave Kroupa liked women, but didn’t want to be tied down to just one. In 2012, he met a woman online named Shanna Elizabeth Golyar who went by "Liz". Against his better judgment, they formed a close bond when a woman Dave had briefly dated seemed to be stalking them both. But how can you be a stalker if you aren’t even still alive?

Our book this week is “A Tangled Web” by Leslie Rule. Yes, she’s the daughter of the queen of true crime Ann Rule, but she’s a talented writer in her own right.  I have a fascinating guest today - Brandon Hall, 911 operator and host of the awesome podcast “Music City 911”. This case is so complicated, such a tangled web as the title of the book says, that we’re covering it in two episodes, this week and next - so don’t miss either one!

If you’ve ever wondered why stalking is a crime, this story and its aftermath will explain it better than any I’ve ever heard. And if you’ve ever asked yourself if being a 911 dispatcher is stressful, we’ve got the answer to that for you too. 


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